Tuesday, September 13, 2005


A perfect example of why some of these anti-gloria folks tick me off.
A conversational thread between me and Mr. Tony Abaya re: his article Military Intervention?

MY REPLY to his article:
Well. Nice to see that the idea of Gloria not resigning is now being considered - although reluctantly by many. Point of everything here is that many of us don’t CARE if she CHEATED. To feign moral indignation for what she did in a country where practically everyone cheats - in one way or another - is just hypocrisy. And I think were all waking up to that now. NOW CAN WE PLEASE CHANGE TOPIC? Hey I hear the SEA Games are being held here in November. Can we talk about that instead?

By your logic, Ferdinand Marcos should not have been kicked out either since what he did - cheating in the snap elections of February 1986, stealing the country blind, killing political opponents – is done by many others, anyway. And by the same logic, Joseph Estrada should not have been deposed either, since getting kickbacks from jueteng is done by so many others also.

Please dont ever try to put words in my mouth, Mr. Abaya. You are oversimplifying my comment. But re: your answer, my reactions are mixed.

FRANKLY, I truly believe that people DID NOT kick Marcos out for cheating per se. But I DO AGREE THAT People kicked him out because he was stealing money and killing people though. The cheating was merely the camel that broke our back. NOT THE MAIN REASON. Because if it was due to the cheating, Marcos would have been kicked out way before 1986. And why didnt you mention Fidel Ramos? Didnt he cheat too?

Erap is proof enough that a proper mandate does not assure good leadership. And Cory Aquino is also proof enough that moral leadership also can make shitty presidents.

Im not saying cheating is ok. I'm just saying that we should look into Gloriagate beyond it's moral issues (which is really the only stand being presented). I want a more tangible perspective. THERE IS NO COHESIVE ALTERNATIVE PLAN BEING PRESENTED BY ANYONE AT ALL! The opposing camps have not presented shit. They all say kick her out but never tell us what they will do once she is gone. We all need more proof than what is presented in those DOCTORED Tapes and a contingency plan post-resignation. But I guess all is moot now because the impeachment was thrown out anyway. Ha!



Anonymous said...

"The camel that broke our back?"

carlosceldran said...

Ya. Ya. I know. My fingers typed faster than my brain could think. Eeps. Just think of it as comedy relief.

Anonymous said...


Two questions -
1. what positive things can you say about gloria?
2/ Is the choice only between shits and an asshole?

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately yes!

Throw all the oldies out. Those fuckers have screwed up the country for too long. We young people have to suck it up. Or emigrate, which is the other option.

Nikki said...

Sorry, this has nothing to do with your present post (although you make some good points there...), but are you the Carlos I went to high school with at San Agustin? I was known as Gigi Go then (How monikers change!), and I think I knew you through Christina Paradies and Jamie Wilson?

carlosceldran said...

Of course I remember you GIGI! Dont be silly. Look at the picture on the blog corner. Its me. (well, without hair now).

Why the sudden change of moniker? Gigi Go had such a lovely way of rolling along.

How are you? Hope youre doing great.

F. said...

I am similarly irked with the poor theatrics the anti-gloria folks have been heaping on us. enough hypocrisy. enough. if they really place country above self, above personal ambition, (if they had a better grasp of this idea) they would stop whining and stop being manipulated by those hate-everyone communists.

carlosceldran said...

Di ba? Its like everyone took a stupid person pill. But in fairness, some people do maintain a balanced view. Its the super noisy feeling morally superior jerks that make me itch.

Glad to see its all fading now.

micketymoc said...

Just last night, I saw a guy on the MRT with a shirt saying, in large red letters, "NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF STUPID PEOPLE IN LARGE GROUPS." I thought this was a very appropriate statement for the times.

carlosceldran said...

Amen Micketymoc.

And as for the positive things to say about Gloria.

That's looking at it all wrong. Why do I have to deal with her likability factor? Why must I deal with presidents on a personal basis? She is a terribly charmless hobbit as we all know.

But having said that: I do appreciate the fact that UNDER HER WATCH:
1. Manila's traffic has eased up.
2. Manila's public spaces have been improved.
3. The Department of Education is now given extreme priority.
4. Tax Collections are up.
5. The Inter-island Ferry (Roro) was initiated.
6. Tourism arrivals are up.
7. The stock market and peso have remained stable despite oil price hikes.
8. The presidency is not associated with drunkeness and wanton carousing till all hours.
9. Malacanang was cleaned up and Maharlika Hall restored.
10. The Abu Sayyaf somewhat neutralized.

bla bla bla.

Yes. I know it's not much of a list and that are more people involved in these achievments aside from La Gloria. But since she is the CEO so to speak, she should get some credit just like any other head of an institution.

Unfortunately people concentrate too much on a leader's personality that they remain ignorant of the functions of their office. Style over substance. Such is the sad state of the American style of democracy that we inherited.

The Talking Mute said...

Hay! sa wakas! I've been away for 17 years now and have been living here in Ontario, Canada. It's good to know that we are seeing progress under GMA's leadership by hook or by crook, so to speak. I don't care who is in power, for as long as they get the job done.

Joey said...

I just laugh at the people who calls GMA a cheater(and by people i mean the opposition). Susme, mag-malinis?! Sino sa kanila ang nakarating sa pwesto nila nang hindi nandaya? Puhleeze!! Mga IPOKRITO!!

At ang mga rallyists na 'yan pinoprovoke talaga nila si GMA to declare Martial Law. Personally, dapat talaga sa mga Pinoy e gamitan ng kamay na bakal nang magsitino!

Anonymous said...

the problem is, we can no longer declare martial law, and so the press and tv media in metro manila (i can name a few papers in the provinces who are doing a more balanced job, but this is another entry altogether) are taking advantage by being so irresponsible in reporting (or should i say fabricating negative/tabloid-style news) to generate more avid readership.